8 thoughts on “What Labour really needs is a powerful social movement to carry its vision across the country

  1. This lady writes so much sense that Labour should hire her! :-

    So listen to me well, Labour Party, because if you get this wrong again you will be done for, once and for all.

    I’m going to help you out here, Labour, because I have watched your decline for a long time and it seems clear that you have not the foggiest idea where you have gone wrong. That is why almost everything you did to improve your prospects has only made things worse. So let me try to explain, and let me tell you in advance that everyone I have spoken to over the last few days agrees with me. Not because I am so super-clever, but because it is blatantly obvious. Only Labour seem to be unable to see it.

    Forget Blairism. The con Blair pulled off worked once, but it will not work again in our lifetime, because there are things people don’t forget. Blairism gained Labour the support of a certain number of swing voters and that helped you as long as your core supporters loyally stood by you. Whatever made you think, though, that you could give up the goals and values of your real clientele and that nevertheless they would keep voting for you indefinitely? Sure, many people feel loyal to a party and are patient with it, and there is a certain inertia that needs to be overcome before some voters desert their traditional party. But if that party continually fails to represent their supporter’s interests, these supporters will eventually walk away. The sentence I heard again and again and again these last few months was this: “I have not left Labour, Labour have left me.” That is the core of the problem.

    So listen to me well, Labour Party, because if you get this wrong again you will be done for, once and for all: Don’t try to appeal to Tory voters. Tory-leaning voters might vote Labour as a one-off protest vote, but by pandering to them you alienate the people who are your natural clientele. For a few years that might work out, but eventually the Tory-leaning voters will return to the Tory fold and your own supporters will decide you’re just not worth it anymore. If they have any sense, they’ll move on to the Greens, and if not, there’s always UKIP. If they feel seriously conflicted, they might just stay at home and not vote at all. In Scotland, they have serious alternative now. In any case, you’re unlikely to gain back their trust as long as you present yourself as a paler copy of the Tories. Nicola Sturgeon did give you the heads-up in the leadership debate. She said that of course there is a difference between Tories and Labour, but the problem is that the difference is not big enough. It is nowhere near big enough.

    There are several ways in which this failure to be properly Labour instead of Tory-lite has played out.

    1. You have failed to be an effective opposition. Instead of challenging the Tories’ brutal austerity policies, their hair-raising incompetence with the economy, their blatant favouring of the rich elites, you have done little else than bicker about details. You have allowed the electorate in England and Wales to believe against all evidence to the contrary that the Tories are basically right. You voted with them for more austerity cuts. You voted with them for Trident renewal. You voted with them for more foolish military interventions in the Middle East, even though you must know by now how the Iraq War has damaged you. You abstained from the vote on the fracking moratorium which would have succeeded had you not been so cowardly. You have not been a counterweight to the nasty coalition, you have enabled them.

    2. You have allowed the Tories to determine the political narrative. Instead of countering their agenda with your own agenda, you kept telling us you would do much the same as the Tories, only in a nicer way, and you deluded yourself that this would keep everyone happy. All this nonsense about cutting the deficit by slashing public services and restricting government spending, when it is standard textbook economy that in times of recession the government must increase spending to help the economy recover – you could have called the Tories out on this, you could have presented the figures of how the Tory approach had made the economy much, much worse. Why did it have to be Nigel Farage of all people who pointed out in the leaders’ debate that the Tories had doubled the national debt? That would have been your role, you should have hammered this message home relentlessly instead of letting them get away with their ludicrous claim that they had fixed the economy. You even allowed UKIP to set your agenda: Instead of making it clear, like Natalie Bennett and Leanne Wood and Nicola Sturgeon did, that immigration really, really isn’t a relevant problem, you went about printing “Controls on immigration” on mugs and even inscribing it on your ridiculous monolith.

    3. Instead of fighting the Tories, you fought your potential allies. This wasn’t so disastrous in the case of the Greens and Plaid Cymru, given their small numbers, but I will say that having a big campaign to unseat Caroline was not only mean-spirited but stupid; those resources should have gone into targeting a Tory seat. However, it was your treatment of the SNP that might well have cost you the election. Again, you let the Tories determine the narrative. They crowed about a constitutional crisis, about a second referendum which neither the SNP nor the wider YES movement are seeking within the next few years anyway, about “breaking up our (sic!) country,” about chaos and nationalism and England being held to ransom. They and their compliant media outlets abused the SNP and the people of Scotland on a daily basis in the most despicable terms. And all you did was parrot them. Nicola Sturgeon could not have held out her hand any more sincerely, and yet you sneered at it.

    What you could have done, should have done, was to challenge the Tory narrative. The SNP have been riding sky-high in the polls since September; and you had known for months that you could only form a government with their help. Plenty time to come up with a constructive strategy. You could have pointed out that the SNP are a moderate party of the centre left. You could have pointed out that they have a track record of eight years of competent and sensible and not-at-all-outrageous government in Holyrood. You could have pointed out that they stood for the kind of temperate progressive policies that many, many people in England would have been delighted to see. You could have pointed out that in no imaginable universe would even 59 SNP MPs be able to call the shots in a 650-strong parliament; that you would always be the boss in any kind of arrangement. You could have thrown all your might into convincing the English electorate that a Labour/SNP team effort would be good for the whole of the UK, as it undoubtedly would have been. Instead you declared a week before the election on national television that you would rather see the Tories return to power than work with the SNP. The stupidity of this is mind-blowing. And all under the banner of “not working with a party that seeks to break up the UK.” Tell me, what is your deal again with the SDLP, a party that seeks to unite Northern Ireland with the republic? You don’t even field candidates against them to give them a better chance? If you can work with them, why not with the SNP? But even today you still harp on about “nationalism” when in fact what the people of Scotland have opted for is the moderate social democratic policies which you should have offered but didn’t.
    4. Having alienated your core supporters and turned your back on your potential allies, and with no progressive track record as an effective opposition to show to the electorate, you have based your election campaign on sound bites, PR stunts and silly gimmicks. Just after Nicola Sturgeon presented her gender-balanced cabinet and promised to work tirelessly on shattering the glass ceiling, you insulted the women of the UK by inviting them to talk “around the kitchen table” about “women’s issues,” proudly brought to us by a pink van. And you didn’t see it coming that people would call it the Barbie Bus and laugh it out-of-town? You allowed Jim Murphy to run amok in Scotland with one insane “policy announcement” after another – remember the “1000 more nurses than anything the SNP promises?” Why not promise weekend breaks on Jupiter for the over 65s? You wheeled out Gordon Brown at random intervals to make meaningless promises and you expected people to be swayed by the pledges of a retiring back bencher? You had some wishy-washy election promises carved in a massive gravestone and you thought that was a good idea?
    Yours was a hopeless, hopeless campaign from beginning to end, without vision, without structure, without conviction. And yet I, like so many, clung to the hope that surely people in England must be so fed up with the Tories by now that they’d vote for you anyway and that surely once the election day dust had settled you’d see sense and head a progressive alliance with the SNP, SDLP, Plaid Cymru and the lovely Caroline Lucas who is worth her weight in diamonds. We could have turned things around for the good of the many rather than the few. Instead the Tories now have carte blanche to suck dry the people of the UK and grin smugly while they feast on our bones. All thanks to you, Labour Party. Now get your act together and make sure this will never happen again. I cannot spell it out any clearer.”

    The original article can be found here:http://www.labourhame.com/separation-is-still-not-the-answer/#comment-128724

  2. Wanda Lozinska_

    I read that piece elsewhere, but it was still well worth reposting.

    Unfortunately I doubt that that any such social movement as Mr Meacher posits in the header would have much use for a Labor party now all but defunct, so completely compromised and well; so utterly Tory.

    I’m getting an increasingly strong sense that British socialism needs to move ob from rotten Labor and plant it’s flag in more fertile ground.

    Most American’s probably now recognize that their own Union movement was co-opted by the capitalists almost from the start and pretty much sold their members, (and many others,) interests down the river.

    Today the British Labor party looks much the same to me.

    Most of us are now looking desperately for somewhere else to go, somewhere without likes of Blair, Balls, Burnham, Umunna, Cooper ect and all their cooperate strings and sleazy connections.

  3. It’s quite funny in a tragic kind of way, listening to the same people; Blair, Balls, Burnham, Umunna, Cooper et al, putting as much personal distance, (hiding under their desks and sucking their thumbs,) between themselves and any hint of a socialist or Marxist taint.

    Whilst in Venezuela and in Greece just such grass roots movement has swept into power and us not just arguing the toss with American capitalism but is actually getting things done.


    Look at British Labor for a slice of the pie and a cut of profits; they’re delighted to sell on the NHS to the private sector, whist in Venezuela they’ve just built over 75,000 new homes for poor and desperate.


  4. I think one of the most important things that Labour must do, is to distance itself from the sirens sounding off at the moment. The most pernicious being the investment banker, Mandelson, bent on creating a one party state.


    If he and the Progress Party keep this up, and any Leader succumbs to it, as I believe Ed Balls did when he seceded from his Bloomberg Speech to agree to austerity, Labour will be an irrelevance.

  5. One problem with the housing market in the UK Corporation is that it is one of the main pillars underpinning the grand illusion. Here, housing is quite deliberately manipulated in favour of the financial Oligarchy.

    As for Labour…Quite a misnomer…The brand is irretrievably tainted. I personally view democracy as dead: And not just because of Ballot boxes going missing for many hours, along with a hopelessly corrupt postal voting system.

    The banking cartels have been buying governments at least since Cromwell. Trained seals prepared for imperial service by the boat race duo, and finished by the Bullingdon clubs “do as thou wilt” licenciousness.

    We need something new: But what?

    How about freedom?

    Freedom from all taxation.

    Freedom from funding military interventions for corporate gain.

    Freedom from evil men using the dialectic to steal our lives.

    Controlling what we say, what we can do, and even what to think. Freedom from oiks like Theresa May and her opressive State interventionism.

    Forme, Labours biggest failing is in not challenging the “Terrorism” meme. Which, by now, most thinking people know to a function of State. This more than anything else demonstrates Labours alignment with the pretty universal “government by fear” methodology expounded by the likes of HL Mencken and his contempories.

    Life is a Journey, Government, the road block.

  6. It seems to me that there are a tremendous amount of people in the country who are socialists at heart, even if not all of them are actual party members or members of trade unions; some are ex-members. Certainly the cruel excesses of this Tory government over the last 5 years has awakened socialist tendencies in people who previously hadn’t really thought much about politics or the need for social justice, because it already existed here. It’s only now that it’s being eroded that the need for some actual involvement has become apparent to these people. (I also speak for myself, and I’ve recently joined the party).

    You write: “……. has left Labour without the heft to bring about major social change from below, which is where alone it can genuinely take root.”

    It seems to me that the problem does not arise from all of these people (from below), but the fact that it appears that the hierarchy in the Labour Party may have lost their way. Hence all the accusations that Labour is now too much like the Tories.

    You mention “…..the charities network, the CAB, the whole gamut of voluntary organisations, the churches, the Greens, and many others.”

    So the “powerful social movement” already exists; or at least the people with a will to form it are already here. Only it lacks a galvanising leadership that these people can believe in, and that will lead them in the direction they want to go, which is a restoration/ creation of a fairer society for all of us, with a strong economy to finance it.

    We need the Labour Party to retake the mantle as champions of the ordinary people and get these varied groups and individuals organised into fighting the Tories and their policies, which are costing many people their happiness, their well-being and even their lives.

    Is there no way we can kick them out before their 5 year term is over? I still think the election was undemocratic and won under false pretences.

  7. bravo,bravo,Wanda Lozinska i agree with everything you say and with quite a lot of what
    the other correspondents say as well,but everyone has missed one of the main things we
    need is a skilled orator who could stand on a platform and really thump out a rousing
    speech,someone similar to Nigel Farage who could get his point across,but with fire in his
    i think if we’d had Nigel Farage as leader we’d have won the election,but with socialist
    policies of course.

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